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		<title>By: Structured Methods &#8250; links for 2009-11-18</title>
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		<dc:creator>Structured Methods &#8250; links for 2009-11-18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The DevLearn 2009 Write-Up &#124; Aaron Silvers Aaron Silvers wrote: I was pretty surprised by the attendance and engagement at the Tuesday session on SCORM and Social Learning. I wasn’t too surprised by the initial questions — people want to combine things like Twitter NOW with their LMS. We quickly got past it (hint: use cmi.comments_from_learner or cmi.suspend_data to store whatever it is you want from these feeds). But that opened up the bigger and more important question: why? The audience couldn’t articulate what social learning looks like; and imho if it looks like Twitter (as just one example) how would anyone want to track it — what part do track? Let alone the “why?” My suspicion is that even though people may not be aware of what social learning looks like, they may have an easier time selling it if it can be back-doored into an LMS&#8230; (tags: learning Standards DevLearn Conference scorm)     This was written by Chuck Allen. Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 10:06 am. Filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Post a comment or leave a trackback. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The DevLearn 2009 Write-Up | Aaron Silvers Aaron Silvers wrote: I was pretty surprised by the attendance and engagement at the Tuesday session on SCORM and Social Learning. I wasn’t too surprised by the initial questions — people want to combine things like Twitter NOW with their LMS. We quickly got past it (hint: use cmi.comments_from_learner or cmi.suspend_data to store whatever it is you want from these feeds). But that opened up the bigger and more important question: why? The audience couldn’t articulate what social learning looks like; and imho if it looks like Twitter (as just one example) how would anyone want to track it — what part do track? Let alone the “why?” My suspicion is that even though people may not be aware of what social learning looks like, they may have an easier time selling it if it can be back-doored into an LMS&#8230; (tags: learning Standards DevLearn Conference scorm)     This was written by Chuck Allen. Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 10:06 am. Filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Post a comment or leave a trackback. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Nicole touched on it before -- we are doing the work of getting to know each other prior to such events, and that accelerates our shared starting point at these events and, thusly, extends the reach of what we can learn together at the event.

As we get better at getting to know each other, the community we&#039;re forming becomes more defined in a shared way.  Which means every conference is a sequel or branch of the one before -- we&#039;re a community that transcends the events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Nicole touched on it before &#8212; we are doing the work of getting to know each other prior to such events, and that accelerates our shared starting point at these events and, thusly, extends the reach of what we can learn together at the event.</p>
<p>As we get better at getting to know each other, the community we&#8217;re forming becomes more defined in a shared way.  Which means every conference is a sequel or branch of the one before &#8212; we&#8217;re a community that transcends the events.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not awesome, Brent.  YOU&#039;RE AWESOME!!!! Seriously, I&#039;m so so so so grateful to have been invited to present and given the opportunities to contribute to the Social Learning Camp and the surprise Breakfast Bite on Friday.  Not only that, Brent -- everyone on the staff starting with Juli Balding on down? Nothing but wonderful and wonderfully helpful and accomodating.  

What would I like to see at DL10? I&#039;d like Oehert to have some help :) 

I&#039;d actually really like to see a track in the conference that actually takes place in VW.  Not presentations just on virtual worlds, but attendees jumping into Vastpark or Second Life for a variety of topics where the sessions can&#039;t be done better.  Maybe get some coaching/boot camp for presenters.

The ARG needs to come back bigger and badder and get teams networking amongst themselves prior to DL10.

I think we also need Beard Camp to keep a running panel on all the taboo subjects about E-Learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not awesome, Brent.  YOU&#8217;RE AWESOME!!!! Seriously, I&#8217;m so so so so grateful to have been invited to present and given the opportunities to contribute to the Social Learning Camp and the surprise Breakfast Bite on Friday.  Not only that, Brent &#8212; everyone on the staff starting with Juli Balding on down? Nothing but wonderful and wonderfully helpful and accomodating.  </p>
<p>What would I like to see at DL10? I&#8217;d like Oehert to have some help <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually really like to see a track in the conference that actually takes place in VW.  Not presentations just on virtual worlds, but attendees jumping into Vastpark or Second Life for a variety of topics where the sessions can&#8217;t be done better.  Maybe get some coaching/boot camp for presenters.</p>
<p>The ARG needs to come back bigger and badder and get teams networking amongst themselves prior to DL10.</p>
<p>I think we also need Beard Camp to keep a running panel on all the taboo subjects about E-Learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Fougere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Fougere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts Aaron! The difference that Twitter alone brought to my conference experience was mind-blowing as I felt like I recognized &amp; knew (to some extent at least) a lot of people without actually having met them in person before. Coming from so far away (NZ) this is an amazing advantage - when you only have a few days it&#039;s great to not have to start off from absolute &#039;scratch&#039; with everyone.

Re: Your session with Mark on Social Learning &amp; SCORM - I put together some thoughts at the time which is in a post here: http://blog.litmos.com/2009/11/social-learning-and-scorm-dl09.html

Thanks again - it was awesome to meet you (&amp; the beard) in person!:o)

Cheers,
Nicole
@Schnicker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts Aaron! The difference that Twitter alone brought to my conference experience was mind-blowing as I felt like I recognized &#038; knew (to some extent at least) a lot of people without actually having met them in person before. Coming from so far away (NZ) this is an amazing advantage &#8211; when you only have a few days it&#8217;s great to not have to start off from absolute &#8217;scratch&#8217; with everyone.</p>
<p>Re: Your session with Mark on Social Learning &#038; SCORM &#8211; I put together some thoughts at the time which is in a post here: <a href="http://blog.litmos.com/2009/11/social-learning-and-scorm-dl09.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.litmos.com/2009/11/social-learning-and-scorm-dl09.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks again &#8211; it was awesome to meet you (&#038; the beard) in person!:o)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Nicole<br />
@Schnicker</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharing, learning, validation. They are my main takes.

Sharing - Every conference I go to there is agreat sharing of ideas, but not since I want to my forst Authorware conference (2001) have I felt so engaged by *everyone*. Like Aaron, I had lots of &#039;new&#039; Twitter friends to catch up with and seal our online-bonds with a proper conversation with the hardware version of the avatars.  But I also had heaps of old friends to catch up with. This left me torn between several crowds of great people, all of whome had great things to share and inspirational stories of learning successes to spread around.

Learning - what can I say? These were some of the best presentations I had attended - but more importantly, these were some of the most inquisitive attendees ever. I&#039;m not sure if there is a general movement towards presenters realising that engaeing your audience by *cough* having a conversation with them is very very rewarding, or if audiences are demanding that same engagement through exposure to Twitter and other back channel methods. Frankly I don&#039;t care which is true, but when a presentation stops being a lecture and starts being a conversation, the value to everyone increases exponentially - IMHO.

Validation - most of us work in small teams. Over time we evolve our work, our methods into something that we may have strategised, or we might have hit upon accidentally. But how we get there is not so important as how effective it is. What is always intriguing to me is when I meet people that I respect enormously and find that the work they are doing parallels the work that I or my team(s) are working on. Or when I share an idea and they get excited about it (doesn&#039;t work in the local gym, I can assure you! eLearning? Wassat then?), or, even better, they share an idea with me and I can&#039;t wait to try it out at work. Since many of us work in relative isolation, this validation of ideas, methods, approaches, direction is invaluable and helps to keep us all sane.

IMHO  :-)

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing, learning, validation. They are my main takes.</p>
<p>Sharing &#8211; Every conference I go to there is agreat sharing of ideas, but not since I want to my forst Authorware conference (2001) have I felt so engaged by *everyone*. Like Aaron, I had lots of &#8216;new&#8217; Twitter friends to catch up with and seal our online-bonds with a proper conversation with the hardware version of the avatars.  But I also had heaps of old friends to catch up with. This left me torn between several crowds of great people, all of whome had great things to share and inspirational stories of learning successes to spread around.</p>
<p>Learning &#8211; what can I say? These were some of the best presentations I had attended &#8211; but more importantly, these were some of the most inquisitive attendees ever. I&#8217;m not sure if there is a general movement towards presenters realising that engaeing your audience by *cough* having a conversation with them is very very rewarding, or if audiences are demanding that same engagement through exposure to Twitter and other back channel methods. Frankly I don&#8217;t care which is true, but when a presentation stops being a lecture and starts being a conversation, the value to everyone increases exponentially &#8211; IMHO.</p>
<p>Validation &#8211; most of us work in small teams. Over time we evolve our work, our methods into something that we may have strategised, or we might have hit upon accidentally. But how we get there is not so important as how effective it is. What is always intriguing to me is when I meet people that I respect enormously and find that the work they are doing parallels the work that I or my team(s) are working on. Or when I share an idea and they get excited about it (doesn&#8217;t work in the local gym, I can assure you! eLearning? Wassat then?), or, even better, they share an idea with me and I can&#8217;t wait to try it out at work. Since many of us work in relative isolation, this validation of ideas, methods, approaches, direction is invaluable and helps to keep us all sane.</p>
<p>IMHO  <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Wickham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Wickham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron - so bummed I missed you this year at DevLearn 09.  Glad we had a chance to meet at #IeL09.  

It really is amazing (and disconcerting) how with today&#039;s technologies we can build such a sturdy community and truly learn from each other.  I know that the trajectory of my work has changed as a result of my much broader social network.  It is even cooler when we get a chance to meet these people in person.  

From your reflections, I sense there may be a tipping point occurring in the community as more people participate AND as more people get face-time together.  Not quite sure where that might lead, exactly....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron &#8211; so bummed I missed you this year at DevLearn 09.  Glad we had a chance to meet at #IeL09.  </p>
<p>It really is amazing (and disconcerting) how with today&#8217;s technologies we can build such a sturdy community and truly learn from each other.  I know that the trajectory of my work has changed as a result of my much broader social network.  It is even cooler when we get a chance to meet these people in person.  </p>
<p>From your reflections, I sense there may be a tipping point occurring in the community as more people participate AND as more people get face-time together.  Not quite sure where that might lead, exactly&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Schlenker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Schlenker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabulous! Absolutely fabulous!  You and The Beard were absolutely highlights of the event for me.  Blog posts like this are THE best way for me to hear about what I programmed.  The worst part of my job is gathering a bunch of great speakers, and sessions, and then not being able to enjoy any of the learning from those sessions.  
Leaving you wanting more and seeing the need for continued evangelism is exactly what I had hoped for.  Seriously.  One event cannot fulfill every need of every attendee, but I would hope that what attendees find are the people, the networks, and the tools, for continued conversations.
I want to start collecting ideas for next year NOW! So, let me know what you would like to see at DL10.
BTW - You&#039;re Awesome! It was truly a pleasure seeing you again.
Cheers!
Brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabulous! Absolutely fabulous!  You and The Beard were absolutely highlights of the event for me.  Blog posts like this are THE best way for me to hear about what I programmed.  The worst part of my job is gathering a bunch of great speakers, and sessions, and then not being able to enjoy any of the learning from those sessions.<br />
Leaving you wanting more and seeing the need for continued evangelism is exactly what I had hoped for.  Seriously.  One event cannot fulfill every need of every attendee, but I would hope that what attendees find are the people, the networks, and the tools, for continued conversations.<br />
I want to start collecting ideas for next year NOW! So, let me know what you would like to see at DL10.<br />
BTW &#8211; You&#8217;re Awesome! It was truly a pleasure seeing you again.<br />
Cheers!<br />
Brent</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree, with your final thought / unsatisfied piece -- I share that sentiment. I also briefed a small crowd on Friday morning, but of the ones who attended, one said it was &quot;the best session all week, they could grasp onto it&quot; and another asked for a copy of the paper the presentation was based on. I truly agree there is more evangelism to be done, and too little time to do it. I also have thought of writing a book, gotten as far, as starting a Google Doc to hold the chapter titles, but my colleague and I have gotten no farther. Maybe a group of us, 6-8 should each take a chapter/topic, and pull together a book from the collaboration of that combination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree, with your final thought / unsatisfied piece &#8212; I share that sentiment. I also briefed a small crowd on Friday morning, but of the ones who attended, one said it was &#8220;the best session all week, they could grasp onto it&#8221; and another asked for a copy of the paper the presentation was based on. I truly agree there is more evangelism to be done, and too little time to do it. I also have thought of writing a book, gotten as far, as starting a Google Doc to hold the chapter titles, but my colleague and I have gotten no farther. Maybe a group of us, 6-8 should each take a chapter/topic, and pull together a book from the collaboration of that combination?</p>
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